Wanted - Owners Views for University Design Project

[Nick Challacombe]

Well said Ozy,

Nick

[Jervaulx]

Whilst people have different opinions, I am shocked at how rude and
aggressive a number of individuals are on this forum and this is a regular
occurrence. It doesn't matter whether an individual either just happens to
have a different opinion or whether they are talking rubbish, they are
entitled to be spoken to politely and with respect. I take it too many
members of this forum have forgotten what good manners and respect for a
different opinion means and frankly I am getting a bit sick and tired of
reading tirades against individuals. If people weren't so rude, there would
be many more individuals ready to contribute to this forum.

Andrew

[ozy]

Originally Posted by Jervaulx

I am shocked at how rude and
aggressive a number of individuals are on this forum and this is a regular
occurrence. If people weren't so rude, there would
be many more individuals ready to contribute to this forum.

Andrew

Andrew - I am not sure whether or not your commentry may be directed at me amongst others but I should like to add my response to it. You need to live in the real world and grow up a bit. I am sure we would all look forward to your contributions. I would love to see more technical discussions and resources on this forum. What I don't like to see are empty vessels making the most noise about nothing or spouting effete, politically correct, lefty/metrosexual rubbish.

Originally Posted by Jervaulx

It doesn't matter whether an individual either just happens to have a different opinion or whether they are talking rubbish, they are entitled to be spoken to politely and with respect.

Andrew

Really, I'm of the 'sow the wind reap the whirlwind school of thought' I didn't think the design student was treated with respect and so I spoke out.

Originally Posted by Jervaulx

. I take it too many members of this forum have forgotten what good manners and respect for a different opinion means and frankly I am getting a bit sick and tired of reading tirades against individuals.

Andrew

I am sure you are right - perhaps a person of your delicate disposition should refrain from reading such upsetting tirades as they might give you nightmares! I would also advise not watching Dr Who but wonder whether or not you may prefer Torchwood?

Solicitously yours and hoping to balm your fevered brow with a soothing unction,

Ozy,

[lansdownplace]

Can we be clear here, there are TWO Pauls on this thread, Paul/Lansdown Place which is me and another Paul. I haven't read the report and only commented on the inaccuracy of a posting, which doesn't qualify me as a 'numpty'.

There are posts of the Farago report, this was based on a 10/12 year old car which had been 'custom' rebuilt by some backstreet garage and then left to rot in the rain. I can't imagine many manufacturers coming out well based on a review of an abused car which had been restored under the arches somewhere. A subsequent owner of the car had BCL sort it out and was delighted with it. I suspect that Mr Crook got up his nose a bit as well.

On panel gaps etc, the current assembly/design techniques for cars allow for a level of product precision that exceeds aircraft standards. Of course the develpment costs mean you have to produce tens of thousands of cars to break even, unless you Bugatti in which case you can absorb a four million pound loss on each car. The panel gaps on the Blenheim 4 are the equal of any production car, all done on an english wheel.

Paul (nothing to do with a 411!)

[lansdownplace]

I quite agree Andrew

[Nick Challacombe]

Well said Andrew!

Nick

[ozy]

Originally Posted by Nick Challacombe

Well said Ozy,

Nick

Thanks Nick, with the departure of Pippa someone has to take up the baton in being forthright & controversial and it might as well be me. Whereas I cannot contribute the female standpoint, I believe that my humble solid waste management operative's opining may be of interest to some.,

In friendship,

Ozy

[Jervaulx]

The thing is, I actually do live in the real world and was taught as a child
to be respectful to others opinions and debate them in a polite manner. To
tell me to grow up just proves my point in how rude you and some other
individuals are. If you cannot debate a subject without turning to insults
or snide remarks then maybe it is you who needs to grow up and learn manners
and the art of mature debate. Childish and offensive behaviour puts many of
us off contributing to this forum.

Andrew

[ozy]

Originally Posted by Jervaulx

The thing is, I actually do live in the real world and was taught as a child
to be respectful to others opinions and debate them in a polite manner. To
tell me to grow up just proves my point in how rude you and some other
individuals are. If you cannot debate a subject without turning to insults
or snide remarks then maybe it is you who needs to grow up and learn manners
and the art of mature debate. Childish and offensive behaviour puts many of
us off contributing to this forum.

Andrew

I think most people are taught those core values as a child but, you know, every day I see boorish people forcing their opinions on others whom stand by cowed and subservient. How many times do I go to the supermarket and see perfectly able people park in disabled parking spots. How many times has someone selfishly parked so I am unable to get out of a parking space or the end of a drive.

I ask myself, what would a polite manner and debate gain if I were to engage these people.............? Prior experience has shown me how and the need sometimes to fight fire with fire. As Franklin Roosevelt once said - "Speak softly but carry a big stick." I would modify that sentiment by concluding that sometimes you have to speak forthright and forcibly to be heard over the braying though


I wonder whether or not you have followed the recent remake of the TV drama Survivors. For me the fascination of this series is the dynamic between a group of people whom are innocents whom need to 'grow up' and a single individual whom is streetwise, forthright, tough and lives in the 'real world' and soleley has made the greatest contribution to their continued existance. Were you to transport yourself and myself into a parallel scenario I wonder which camp we would each fall into? Diametrically opposed or brothers in arms?

Childish & rude Ozy - such a beast!

[Rubbond]

Andrew,
You are absolutely right.
I've been guilty of this in the past, usually late at night after a few
drinks.
The PDF presentation I thought was very good, on the history of Bristol.
Loved the aeroplanes! Would have liked to have been able to blow up all the
photo's of all the Bristol models, to follow the developments over time (not
sure if this is possible on PDF?).
Maybe it would have been wise to wait for phase II (the proposals), as it
seems Bristol were not keen on any of the proposed designs (I wasn't either
to be truthful). I assume these were just a first few sketches, not worked
out properly? They weren't very well drawn, or attractive.
With best regards,
Andy.

[browning l]

[quote=ozy;2512] As Franklin Roosevelt once said - "Speak softly but carry a big stick." QUOTE]

Theodore Roosevelt, actually, as the merest bit of research would reveal...and he was referring to national policy, not individual behavior...

But, don't let inaccuracy and irrelevancy deter you.

[ozy]

[quote=browning l;2514]

Originally Posted by ozy

As Franklin Roosevelt once said - "Speak softly but carry a big stick." QUOTE]

Theodore Roosevelt, actually, as the merest bit of research would reveal...and he was referring to national policy, not individual behavior...

But, don't let inaccuracy and irrelevancy deter you.

I think " as the merest bit of research" seems to be one of your stock sentences. Comrehension is another - I don't think I qualified whether or not I wads referring to national policy or individual behaviour, I just made a statement. I fail to see what was inaccurate or irrelevent about it.

Did you have to go to special salesman training school to learn how to be this way or is it a natural ingrained trait - I'm not being rude just curious.

[Rubbond]

Ozy, are you maybe Australian?

[GREG]

I have found the whole thread very amusing and entertaining, however even when you bully a bully, it is still bullying.

Don't really give a flying ... :-)

I wish could write like Claude even if I don't agree with some of it !

Not sure if Pippa would have made me laugh or said anything relevant although Deluded made me laugh.

Greg

[Jervaulx]

Please be aware, when I make a comment the previous message isn't always the
one i'm replying to I have noticed.

Andrew

[Andy Bernard]

I think we need to understand who we are being rude to. Most members on
this forum are quite thick skinned and hence capable of defending
themselves. On the work presented by Gordon for comment, I for one did not
like the tone of Mr Browning's statements, which appeared to come from some
perceived position of virtual pomposity (I'm sure, that since he drives a
Bristol, he is a decent guy, it just didn't come across in his mail.) Here
we have a young lad, who so far has been very polite in asking for help from
us, shot down in flames in a most destructive manner. If an automotive
student is interested in Bristols he or she has got to be encouraged and
given every assistance.

Personally, I found Gordon's paper interesting; it does need editing and the
facts have to be checked more thoroughly, but it should be the basis for a
sound document. The web site tangent should be pared down to a more
appropriate size. It looks extremely professional and stylish, which could
be in danger of detracting from the content.

I am not talking about political correctness here, just mutual respect and
robust discussion, well presented.

Andy Bernard