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The web site address is www.discoweb.org I came across it when trying to decide what to do with dead air suspension on a P38 Range Rover I had bought, repair or replace with coils. The debate on that subject on the site had me laughing out loud sometimes so heated were some of the exchanges becoming, but there did seem to a bit of sport and p*** taking in it sometimes, hence the. comparison. I have in addition to the P38 an early 90's Range Rover LSE which displays some of the faults my first one had, a1972 example, and a Stage 1 V8 series 3 which is equally highly developed!!!
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As I am in the metals business !

If anyone can lend me a gasket to use as a template I will see if I can get a pile made up to sell at cost if of interest ? As many holes as you like
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In my opinion , a cylinder head gasket is good or not

I am interested to know how many customers would have accepted to have this type of cylinder head gasket installed if he ( she) has been previously informed .
This without any consideration of price of course !

Greg would you ?
Greg , it looks you have a nice car in very good condition

why d'ont you answer my question ?

Would you accept to have such parts installed on your car ?
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At 04:49 PM 11/20/2010, you wrote:
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Customer: "The head gasket you sent me was missing a cooling system
hole, so my mechanic punched one and it got installed OK"

Factory: "Thanks for that. None of our other customers mentioned
that to us. We'll check the original drawings and inform our supplier."
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Old 21-11-10, 05:20 PM
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Factory: We are sorry to learn that you received the incorrect head gasket.
Please return the part- we will pay freight and air freight you the correct
head gasket within 24 hrs. Please accept our sincere apology.

Note: Any modification to factory parts will void warranty.

Customer: Thank you for your prompt attention - it is nice dealing with such
a reputable company.





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Factory: "Thanks for that. None of our other customers mentioned
that to us. We'll check the original drawings and inform our supplier."
This is exactly what fair trading suggests to do

I thought it will be like that
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Better! Numerous reasonable scenarios can be constructed and
perhaps this is a "teachable moment" that reasonable car owners can learn from.
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Greg , it looks you have a nice car in very good condition

why d'ont you answer my question ?

Would you accept to have such parts installed on your car ?
Thanks !

I would take advise from the man installing the gasket.

I have already agreed - what more do you want ?
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as it happened to me 4 days ago) you will be asked Euro 350 for a manifold and Euro 2200 (twothousandtwohundredeuros....) to shoehorn it into the engine bay.
Does it mean that I feel that I have any rights to
complain with the best from Stuttgart?
No. They are doing what they have to do, that's it.
Stefano
Stefano ,
if your quoted expensive Porsche manifold didnít have the correct number of holes !!!
Would you accept it as it ?
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Eric,
You are making too much about this gasket. It works... and so it is not
defective.
As I said before, maybe a 10% difference in cooling. The other poster with
the seatbelt cover is more serious. It is basically a cosmetic piece that is
obviously not for that car and so useless.
We have established that BCL is struggling in coming up with parts for older
cars, and their advertising is a bit misleading.
Re Stefano... why he has to pay euro 2200 to shoehorn a manifold in? Maybe
it has the wrong number of holes and is the wrong one and hence the
expensive labour to fit it LOL.
Look on the bright side!
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Hi,
I have a sailing yacht and when I bought it luckily the hull had no hole.
Life is so different.
In Germany we have the # Pfennigfuchser #
in Great Britain we have the # bean counter #
in the Netherlands we have the # mieren neuker # and one grade higher
in Belgium we have the #amoeben neuker#
You dont go to court if You are using these words to a police officer.
I have enough of these one sided stories. Lets hear the other side?
No lets stop here. Hole or no hole.
Thanks

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Greg,
How suitable do you think your taxi tyres would be on a 403? Cross plies are
getting low and I need to make a desision.

I want to get the wheels powder coated silver at the same time (along with
the radiator grill) so if any one knows of a good coater. preferably
convenient to South West London/ Sussex.
Regards, Peter
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Hello Dorien,

well, that Porsche manifold must have had lots of wrong holes in it....
:-)))) but the awesome cost of replacing it is due to the fact that, being
my 911 a Turbo, you have to pull down the whole engine/transmission assembly
to get some access in that zone. Do you think that I did ever imagined to
check if porsche put the right number of layers of copper/aluminum/bronze in
this manifold? noooooo.....

On a brighter note I'm experimenting Audi/VW 16"x6,5 steel wheels as
replacement for the 409 16" Dunlops, and I have found a set that might be
very, very similar (and straight, something my Dunlops are not anymore).
I'll keep you posted about it.

Ciao
Stefano
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On a brighter note I'm experimenting Audi/VW 16"x6,5 steel wheels as replacement for the 409 16" Dunlops, and I have found a set that might be very, very similar (and straight, something my Dunlops are not anymore).

Stefano
Stefano, is there a reason you are not looking at the steel or alloy wheels offered by Bristol Cars:

"Wide Steel Wheels:
Allow you to take full advantage of modern radial tyres. Enhances adhesion, handling precision and tyre life. Maintains original style but give a subtly more modern and sporting appearance.

Classic Alloy Wheels
Styled to resemble 1960's alloy wheels so that they compliment older style Bristols. Wider rims suit modern radial tyres for enhanced performance and tyre life.
"

I ask because I hope to hear from someone who has actually bought them and can give a report on their appearance and performance.

Claude
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Hello Claude,


that's a good question. I asked for those wheels in the past and was told
(quite honestly) that the original steel wheels are no more available in the
original size/design. Wider wheels are not so nice for the look of a classic
car (IMHO) and I hate alloys on classic cars, if they were not born with
them. I am looking for new steel wheels for this reason and Audi/VW wheels
seem easy to adapt....but I have to make some more trials, as the wheel
offset might be a trifle different and you need the place where you can
drill the holes to install the pins to locate the hubcaps.

Ciao

Stefano
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I may be wrong but I am sure I have seen 409's on Minilites which were
around and used a lot in the 60's.
I thought that because they were in period the factory may have offered
them, or even Tony Crook Motors at the time.

Just a thought, I know if I am wrong I will be shot down in flames. They are
being produced again at the moment, quite
popular at Goodwood this year on Triumphs, Minis et al.

nick
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I ...was told (quite honestly) that the original steel wheels are no more available in the original size/design. Wider wheels are not so nice for the look of a classic car
Stefano
Did you actually determine that the wider wheels make the look of the 409 change? I imagine Bristol would have changed the 16" wheel to a 15" and made it slightly, but not noticeably wider with some of the increase going inward provided it did not cause the tyre to rub. It would be worthwhile asking Bristol before making your decision, as you then know you have a factory certified wheel which can have some benefit in the event of failure.
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Hi Greg, Eric et al,

First post from me Ė
The head gasket saga of Eric and consequent postings by many has caused me to study the photo of Erics gasket and that of the one on Ebay at present.
I have also had a look in my shed and found a thin metal gasket (photo attached) which would be an original Item from the time our 100B2 engine was rebuilt in 1969/70 (done 1000 miles since then) or from a gasket set of that time. Ė It was rebuilt by my father, so I have never seen the gasket that went into the car, the thing is that, some surface rust is evident but I donít think it has been used. All the holes appear to be the same as the other gasket photos, although the cylinder holes are more elliptical in shape than appear in the photos, I presume that the other gaskets are as well but because of computer screen ratios they appear more round in shape. It is I would say about .006 thou or approx. 0.15mm thick, certainly thinner than those others in the photos. I should hunt out my micrometer and get an accurate thickness.
Anyway either way it is an original product from the car or from Bristol Motor Company in 1969, so may be of interest or of use in context of this discussion. Maybe an excellent template !!??

Cheers

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Old 22-11-10, 09:45 AM
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Peter what you have is the old corrotrue gasket which was the gasket which
was used at that time, however you had to be more accurate with your
fitting as there was no leeway. The BMW gaskets are much easier to fit being
thicker they bed down better and you have less chance of one blowing.
My regards,
Bellerophon
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Old 22-11-10, 10:11 AM
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Claude,


I cannot fit 15" wheels on my 409, as the homologation papers specify only
16" wheels and in Italy this, like the size and speed rating of tires, is
one of the things that could land you in real trouble if you get involved in
an accident. Of course I would like to get some new straight Dunlops (does
anyone have a set for sale?) but I think that Audi steel is not bad and they
look quite 'right' on the car.
Thanks anyway

Stefano
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