Unhappy postings

[Nick Challacombe]

Well there you go! and I thought it was all over. I have been on holiday in Spain for the last few weeks and have read several novels and have become quite absorbed by the unhappy postings. It must have been the longest soap opera ever on a Forum.
Still this last posting shows you cannot keep a good dog down.
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Thank you Moderator:-) I know you can turn everything off but you had to let this one run its course.
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I hope Eric is feeling better now he has vented his feelings and that we can get back to normality (whatever that is) and enjoy posting like the Jenson 10.
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Happy Days are here again!
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Nick, V8 and proud.
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[Eric Brumenil]

Originally Posted by Nick Challacombe

Still this last posting shows you cannot keep a good dog down.
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Nick, V8 and proud.
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Nick ,
The big difference between you and me is that I have always respected all the members of this forum

Your contemptuous attitude reflect who you are
I am so sorry for you !

[Hydroglen]

Well Claude,
Perhaps much of this could have ben avoided. Too may people rushing to
defend Bristol....had you chipped in with your hubcap story and such like,
Eric would have realized that he was not alone, and perhaps this was just
the way it is. Grin and move on.
Your international or national theme was infact followed LOL.
Eric is in Belgium, a quasi central location in Europe. So he used the
British side and did his quivering lip bit with mail and meetings....then
passed on to the Italian (Latin) side and told everybody of his woes. On his
way home from Italy he cut through the German side and may be planning a
war!
You see Claude, it was all as you thought.
I agree the internet can be fun!
Dorien

[Richard Levine]

Claude your idea for a webmaster-supervised complaint section could be very
problematic in relation to potential libel suits. All complaints brought
before a court must have both sides heard; publishing just that of the
complainant would be foolish at best, downright libelous at worst.


In the event recently witnessed by us all only one side was presented,
containing some extremely serious allegations which if defended would
certainly have litigation potential. These allegations were repeated many
times, therefore magnifying any potential damage to the other party. Why
would any webmaster want to risk placing himself in a position equivalent to
that of the publisher of a book which later proved to be defamatory. In such
a case both the author and the publisher would have damages to pay.

On the other hand I like to read disaster tales as much as the next guy;
better in a Forum if no names given though!

I'm sure Kevin will do what he feels right.


Regards to all


Richard

[Claude]

Originally Posted by Richard Levine

Claude your idea for a webmaster-supervised complaint section could be very problematic in relation to potential libel suits.
Richard

Actually, I had in mind that Kevin would create a "sticky" that sets out the procedure for complaining. Then, in a forum of this quality and gentlemanly excellence, I would predict that other members would respond to an inappropriate posting by referring to the sticky and asking the poster to revise the complaint to adhere to the procedure. If they did not, then the other members would pummel the poster with dinner buns as they do at the Madison Avenue Sports Car and Chowder Society.

Claude

[Geoff Kingston]

Claude,
......... Did you buy the second set of hubcaps from the firm that frequently advertises them on UK eBay. website as they seem quite reasonably priced and I had been wondering what the quality was like.
The original hubcaps were made by a firm called Tuckers and the quality compared to there earlier offerings was poor, as I was to find out. a few years ago there was something worse than a new hubcap from Tuckers and that was one re plated by them! I had bought a pair some years previously and fitted them to my 411 coincidentally at the same time as I fitted a new set of four acquired from BCL to my 410. The ones on the 410 have held up well considering they are left on all the time and the car is used. during the winter. The re plated Tucker hubcaps were red rusty after about a year and it was quite obvious the chrome had been applied directly to the steel, they now match the rusty ones on the back , the rusty bumpers and the awful paint work so at least I can be thankful they haven't spoilt the rat rod look of the car!!
Geoff.

[Claude]

Originally Posted by Geoff Kingston

Claude,
......... Did you buy the second set of hubcaps from the firm that frequently advertises them on UK eBay. website as they seem quite reasonably priced and I had been wondering what the quality was like.
Geoff.

Short answer = Yes. And I have no complaints. They do what they are supposed to do... work and not deteriorate, although the 411 has been a hanger queen ever since I bought them.

[sjp63]

Well this thread has made me seriously consider whether to go ahead with an S6 upgrade to my 411.

Thats the truth - I wonder if the chaps at warminster are any better......

[browning l]

Originally Posted by sjp63

Well this thread has made me seriously consider whether to go ahead with an S6 upgrade to my 411.

Thats the truth - I wonder if the chaps at warminster are any better......

Wouldn't scare me off...I'd walk in with all the printed posts from this topic and ask Uncle Syd and Mr. Chairman, "Well, can you do better than this on my 411?" Don't you think they'd pop to?

You could always check with Richard Levine about his Blenheim 4 one-off.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by Richard Levine

Claude your idea for a webmaster-supervised complaint section could be very problematic in relation to potential libel suits.

Libel in cyberspace gets very interesting, because the first battle is usually one over jurisdiction. That fight alone can cost a fortune, before you even get to hear the libel case.

Libel laws of course differ from one country to the next. The UK's libel laws are quite archaic and favour the plaintiff even when what was said was actually true. Whereas in many other parts of the world unless the plaintiff can prove that what has been said was untrue, they are unlikely to win the case.

In the case of a British manufacturer, being criticised by a Belgian customer, on a self moderated web forum based in Australia, with an international audience, and the forum sits on a server leased by a Pty Ltd company, the mind boggles at the possibilities!

[Kevin H]

Claude,

Eric has made my decision on this easier by asking me to remove the three main threads in an email message overnight.

I have mixed feelings about removing the threads for a number of reasons. Not least of which because many other people put time and effort into writing responses. Also because I believe in free speech and the rights of the consumer and in particular because of the reasons this forum was created in the first place (or it's predecessor, the old BEEF mail list).

On the other hand, I have always got on well with Brian Marelli and I don't want to see BCL damaged. It concerns me that we have only heard one side of the story and I cannot understand why TS didn't satisfactorily resolve the dispute long ago.

I guess I am sitting on the fence at the moment, so I have "soft" deleted the threads for now.

As for your template idea, I'll give it some thought and may get around to modifying the "Terms of Use", not that anyone takes any notice of them!

Originally Posted by Claude

isn't it fun to run a web forum?

There are times when I feel like just turning it off!

[browning l]

Originally Posted by Kevin H

"... because I believe in free speech..."

Our local newspaper publisher defines "free speech" thusly:

"I have a printing press; I am free to print what I wish to have in my newspaper.

" 'Free speech' means you may have your own printing press with which you are free to print what you wish to print.

" 'Free speech' most definitely does not mean I have to print with my press what you wish me to print."

I suppose that will cause some comments, but I buy into it.

[UK6]

Claude,
I will not comment on Eric's case because I do not think that it is
appropriate for me to do so. However, speaking generally, surely poor
workmanship and poor customer relations is a serious business in any
country. Put simply, if an organisation takes on a job that they cannot
complete in a timely fashion, then they should not accept the work.

Re your unfortunate experience with your hub caps, did you provide feedback
to the vendor? If we collectively don't bring sub standard work to the
vendor's/tradesperson's attention, then, ultimately, we will be forced to
accept poor quality parts or workmanship.

Brett

[Nick Challacombe]

Well Eric, as this was my first post on the subject, which you had several postings earlier said was closed, it just goes to prove that there is a vast difference in translation from the English humour to the Belgium/German/Italian depending upon your view point.
I did not insult you or any other member of the forum, in fact I was praising Kevin for allowing it to continue.
It seems that.you are even unable to get a wireless repaired and updated so God knows how you expected to get a car repaired!
Have a nice day,
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Nick

[Claude]

Originally Posted by UK6

Claude,

Re your unfortunate experience with your hub caps, did you provide feedback
to the vendor?

Brett

Yes, as I noted in the original narrative "Next visit I took one back, which they kept for inspection, but never replaced them."

I gave the hubcap to Sid Lovesy as I recall, who was rather busy at the time. Have no idea what happened afterwards.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by browning l

Our local newspaper publisher defines "free speech" thusly:

"I have a printing press; I am free to print what I wish to have in my newspaper.

" 'Free speech' means you may have your own printing press with which you are free to print what you wish to print.

" 'Free speech' most definitely does not mean I have to print with my press what you wish me to print."

It really frustrates me when I write letters to my local newspaper criticising the local city council and they don't publish them.

Must get my own printing press one of these days!

[browning l]

Originally Posted by Kevin H

"... because I believe in free speech..."

Our local newspaper publisher defines "free speech" thusly:

I have a printing press; I am free to print what I wish to have in my newspaper.

"Free speech" means you may have your printing press and you are free to print what you wish to print."

"Free speech" most definitely does not mean I have to print with my press what you wish me to print.

I supposed that will cause some comments, but I buy into it.

I equate Kevin's board with being his printing press; He can print here what he wishes to, but he is not obligated to print anything he doesn't wish to print. And, the follow-up is plain. If you don't like the way Kevin runs his board, don't come here.

Will this line of thought make his board less popular? Very possibly. I am very familiar with a bulletin board on the site of an American magazine, Shooting Sportsman, to be found at http://bbs.shootingsportsman.com/. The publisher/board editor vigorously edit posts put up there, especially political posts they feel demean people - candidates of the opposite persuasion (yes, they believe candidates of the opposite persuasion to be people; can you imagine that? {Tongue-in-cheek, guys, hold your horses.} or those who do/don't believe in electric dog collars, etc. The result has been the creation of another board at http://notssmbbs.com/index.php, which is roaringly popular, where one can say "whatever you want to say." Note the similarity of the names of the two: one is Shooting Sportsman, or aka as "SSM", while the other is "NOTssm."

In not atypical American style, short shrift is often given complainers. And if one is politically liberal, one posts at one's own risk.