410 wheels

[MYTA21]

Hello,
Does anyone know if the wheels fitted to the 410 were common to any other car please. There is a photo of a 410 with whaty looks like the Jaguar XJ pepper pot wheels, so are they the same PCD I wonder?
Thanks

[Geoff Dowdle]

MYTA21 ,
the 400 - 409 wheels have a PCD of 112mm (same as M Benz)
410 onward have a PCD of 4.75 inch (same as Jaguar XJ6 and probably other Jag). I fitted XJ6 series 1 wheels to my 411 S1 at one time .

Geoff

[GREG]

A good web site for PCD checking and some other stuff !

Automotive resources from carlsalter.com, Wheel rim PCDs and fitments, Free Motorcycle Service and Workshop Manuals for Download

There is also a BMW wheel at 120 mm PCD and looks similar to 411 S6 ! ( same as Bristol 410 to Blenheim and XJ Jag )

The 410 wheel is narrower than the 411 onwards -- although the 411 S1 maybe the same ?

I have new wheel nuts and studs for Bristol's -- only other car I found that uses same size is Land Rover S1 !! And no, they don't fit a Bristol :-)

I once fitted my Merc 112 PCD wheels to a 401 -- you needed arms like my wife's to steer it !! :-))

[GREG]

Another way of achieving more available tyre choice is to have the steel wheels banded -- obviously be sure to go to an experienced reputable company for this that does an accurate quality job -- not the local grass tracker builders :-))

Nothing against grass tracking as I used to do lots of it , but we didn't expect cars to live long !

[Geoff Dowdle]

Greg,
The M Benz in the 90's were mostly 6 in x 15in but had different offset between the different models .
Each wheel is stamped with the offset near the stud holes.
ET 31 fitted C180/220/280
ET 49 190E
ET 40 w124 220/280 1994 onwards

I understand the ET 31 are the best fit on a 401/3 but best to try before you buy , check clearance of the tyres with the wheel arch on full lock .
Also check clearance of the steering knuckle to the rim on full lock .

If you make and fit a few hubcap fixing pins the wheels with hubcaps look very similar to the Standard 4.5 x 16 Bristol wheels ,
maybe at parking speed it will be heavier than original .
The other consideration is the overall diameter of the 15 in tyre will be smaller than original

There is now a good selection of 185 x 16 tyres available now , especially in UK , why bother fitting 15 inch wheels

Geoff

[GREG]

I only discovered by chance that my old Merc 320 CDI ( W210 ) with 16 " alloy wheels fit the Bristol -- However the spare was steel and looked just like a Bristol wheel

So a 2001 onwards E class full size spare or even some standard Audi steel wheels

I wouldn't consider fitting 15 " to a 6 cylinder.. -- I even prefer the look of the V8's with 16"

They sell the hub cap pins on eBay for VW Beetles that would work.

[Sam410]

Originally Posted by Geoff Dowdle

MYTA21 ,
the 400 - 409 wheels have a PCD of 112mm (same as M Benz)
410 onward have a PCD of 4.75 inch (same as Jaguar XJ6 and probably other Jag). I fitted XJ6 series 1 wheels to my 411 S1 at one time .

Geoff

I thought the 411 s2 onwards had wider wheels? 185 section on 410/411 s1, 205 on 411 s2 onwards. I've always been under the impression that later 411 wheels, or Jaguar wheels, won't fit a 410 without changing the hubs.

[GREG]

Yep, the 411 S2 onward has wider wheels but they all fit the 410 -- maybe a small shim spacer ( 3mm) needed on the front hubs if they foul on full lock.

I have a stock of spacers to bring the rear wheels out to the arches with the Bristol stud thread and new nuts if anyone wants them -- looks a lot better and better motorway ride , especially on a 412 / 603 where the wheels look too far in.

[GREG]

Here's a 410 with Jag pepperpot wheels ! I think they look okay ?

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by GREG

Here's a 410 with Jag pepperpot wheels ! I think they look okay ?

I think they look like they're from a different era than the car.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by GREG

Yep, the 411 S2 onward has wider wheels but they all fit the 410

Greg, are you sure the wider 411 wheels fit in the wheel arches at the rear of the 410? (particularly the Avon Safety wheels)

I suppose it does depend on what tires they are shod with.

[GREG]

Avon safety wheels are the same size as the Jag pepper-pot wheels shown on the previous picture on a 410 -- I'm not saying they go straight on without issues , but inexpensive spacers will get them to fit if they don't.

Personally on the 407 to 411 S2 I prefer the look of original steel wheels, although I would go with wider steel wheels.