WARNING Faulty 2 Litre engine cylinder head gaskets

When we purchase parts for our (over 45 year old engines) we must be aware that the parts must be checked before fitting. I have been in the motor trade for over 40 years, and one rule that should always be followed is to check the new gasket with the old.
If this had been done before the head was fitted the problem could have been cured before fitting, either by contacting the gasket manufacturer or simply punching a new hole.
Roger.

[Hydroglen]

I agree with you in checking parts, and yes I would have punched a new
hole. The engine function may not necessarily overheat even with a plugged
hole.
However Eric is correct, that the reply given, that he was the only one to
complain, is totally inappropriate. It is a feeble attempt to shift the
blame to the customer and is rude and unacceptable.
Dorien Berteletti

[Eric Brumenil]

Originally Posted by 190251cars

When we purchase parts for our (over 45 year old engines) we must be aware that the parts must be checked before fitting. I have been in the motor trade for over 40 years, and one rule that should always be followed is to check the new gasket with the old.
If this had been done before the head was fitted the problem could have been cured before fitting, either by contacting the gasket manufacturer or simply punching a new hole.
Roger.

I agree with you
The problem is that this manufacture wrote that dozens of cars are RUNNING with the faulty gasket fitted as it !

The reason for my replying to this post was to say that the onus must lay with the engine builder and not the manufacturer of the gasket.
These gaskets are most likely made by "men in sheds" not computerized robots,
so once again check against the old gasket rather than blindly fitting it.
As for the manufacturer telling you that no one else has complained could well have been true as a competent and professional engineer would have checked old against new.
Do you not agree that the engine builder is at least partly to blame?
Roger

[Rubbond]

Eric,
This gasket looks well made and its age (unused) is irrelevant.
It presumably fits other engines, where that one hole is not required.
This is no longer amusing.
In my opinion you are a complete nutter.

[Hydroglen]

Roger,
I am not sure if your reply is to Eric or me. I agree that the engine
builder may have some blame. However you write
a competent and professional engineer would have checked old against new

Presumably when the "man in the shed" delivered the faulty gaskets "a
competent and professional engineer at Bristol would have checked old
against new" but maybe he was off on his tea break!! LOL

Regards
Dorien

[Eric Brumenil]

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[Kevin H]

On the Bristol Cars web site it says:

"Bristol Cars have 98% of the original
machine parts drawings from the 1940's on.
If you require a part specially made
to original tolerances,
please ask and we will look into it."

I took this to mean that the parts would be accurate to the original drawings.

But after looking at that head gasket maybe it means if you require a part to original tolerances then it will need to be specially made

If a car manufacturer knowingly sold me a head gasket that had a cooling hole missing I would be pretty upset.

Bristol themselves could have punched the extra hole required before they sold the gasket - it should not be up to the customer to discover that there's a hole missing and punch it themselves!

[Eric Brumenil]

Originally Posted by Rubbond

Eric,
In my opinion you are a complete nutter.

Dear Rubbond , are you Antony Steevenson from the Bristol Cars Ltd who wrote me a registered letter november 11 , 2010 ?
What is your position in the Bristol Cars Ltd ?

[GREG]

Yahoo, Mad Eric is back :-))

So, Rubbond is Anthony from Bristol cars -- Hmmm ! amazing disguise

One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest land again..

Please tell us about the letter Eric - and how's life in Smurf land ?

Greg ex Senior Member

[Eric Brumenil]

This is a simple question .
I have recieved a letter from the factory signed by Antony Steevenson
He wrote me he was writing I am a complete nutter .
As far as I remember Rubbond wrote this
I am just interested to know who is Antony Steevenson , it's easier to know with whom you are talking

To answer you , yes the nutter is back
If you give me the right or your permission of course ?