I think most people are taught those core values as a child but, you know, every day I see boorish people forcing their opinions on others whom stand by cowed and subservient. How many times do I go to the supermarket and see perfectly able people park in disabled parking spots. How many times has someone selfishly parked so I am unable to get out of a parking space or the end of a drive.

I ask myself, what would a polite manner and debate gain if I were to engage these people.............? Prior experience has shown me how and the need sometimes to fight fire with fire. As Franklin Roosevelt once said - "Speak softly but carry a big stick." I would modify that sentiment by concluding that sometimes you have to speak forthright and forcibly to be heard over the braying though


I wonder whether or not you have followed the recent remake of the TV drama Survivors. For me the fascination of this series is the dynamic between a group of people whom are innocents whom need to 'grow up' and a single individual whom is streetwise, forthright, tough and lives in the 'real world' and soleley has made the greatest contribution to their continued existance. Were you to transport yourself and myself into a parallel scenario I wonder which camp we would each fall into? Diametrically opposed or brothers in arms?

Childish & rude Ozy - such a beast!

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Andrew,
You are absolutely right.
I've been guilty of this in the past, usually late at night after a few
drinks.
The PDF presentation I thought was very good, on the history of Bristol.
Loved the aeroplanes! Would have liked to have been able to blow up all the
photo's of all the Bristol models, to follow the developments over time (not
sure if this is possible on PDF?).
Maybe it would have been wise to wait for phase II (the proposals), as it
seems Bristol were not keen on any of the proposed designs (I wasn't either
to be truthful). I assume these were just a first few sketches, not worked
out properly? They weren't very well drawn, or attractive.
With best regards,
Andy.

[quote=ozy;2512] As Franklin Roosevelt once said - "Speak softly but carry a big stick." QUOTE]

Theodore Roosevelt, actually, as the merest bit of research would reveal...and he was referring to national policy, not individual behavior...

But, don't let inaccuracy and irrelevancy deter you.

I have found the whole thread very amusing and entertaining, however even when you bully a bully, it is still bullying.

Don't really give a flying ... :-)

I wish could write like Claude even if I don't agree with some of it !

Not sure if Pippa would have made me laugh or said anything relevant although Deluded made me laugh.

Greg

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Please be aware, when I make a comment the previous message isn't always the
one i'm replying to I have noticed.

Andrew

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I think we need to understand who we are being rude to. Most members on
this forum are quite thick skinned and hence capable of defending
themselves. On the work presented by Gordon for comment, I for one did not
like the tone of Mr Browning's statements, which appeared to come from some
perceived position of virtual pomposity (I'm sure, that since he drives a
Bristol, he is a decent guy, it just didn't come across in his mail.) Here
we have a young lad, who so far has been very polite in asking for help from
us, shot down in flames in a most destructive manner. If an automotive
student is interested in Bristols he or she has got to be encouraged and
given every assistance.

Personally, I found Gordon's paper interesting; it does need editing and the
facts have to be checked more thoroughly, but it should be the basis for a
sound document. The web site tangent should be pared down to a more
appropriate size. It looks extremely professional and stylish, which could
be in danger of detracting from the content.

I am not talking about political correctness here, just mutual respect and
robust discussion, well presented.

Andy Bernard

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Then why do you contribute by throwing your toys out of the pram?
I thought when I congratulated you on your opinion that they made sense but
this little tirade
of your will do nothing to contribute to the forum.
it is a place to air all things Bristol and not to air personal gripes.
I have never griped on this forum and resent your tone!
There is another forum which may suit you better, if not perhaps you can
refrain from tirades.

I think the moderator should end this disgraceful thread.

Nick

[quote=browning l;2514]I think " as the merest bit of research" seems to be one of your stock sentences. Comrehension is another - I don't think I qualified whether or not I wads referring to national policy or individual behaviour, I just made a statement. I fail to see what was inaccurate or irrelevent about it.

Did you have to go to special salesman training school to learn how to be this way or is it a natural ingrained trait - I'm not being rude just curious.

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Ozy, are you maybe Australian?

Oh come Nick, this thread should keep going - look 66 posts already, now that must be a record. Personally I'm going for 100! If its ended I'll only have to try to turn another thread into a tirade. I don't think I am throwing my toys out of the pram - just being a capricious sprite adding my opinions to the melting pot and I am so sorry that you don't like them.

Remember, I didn't start this tirade but I have no qualms about continuing to add to it. And as for this being a place to air all things Bristol, yes, I had hoped that when I joined - pity isn't it?

Perhaps you can let me know which forum would you prefer me to join

Ozy

Rubbond,

Unfortunately not. Although I am partial to koala bears, Kylie and of course Kevin. I am just a humble Yorkshireman with very little woolabrawonga and an endearing line of chat.

My nom-de-plume stems from Percy Byshe Shelley's Ozymandias.

what is a pink oboe ?

A fellow Yorkshire -- that explains the numpty bit LOL

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You don't win debates by being rude and with insults, you win them with good
factual but reasonable argument. Good factual argument doesn't need you to
be rude or offensive. In fact being rude or offensive usually makes people
less likely to take you seriously, as it devalues both your argument and
your abilities to argue a point. Using rude people in society in the
outside world as defence of your poor behaviour on this forum is frankly
laughable. I will repeat again, being rude, offensive or aggressive in
attacking a persons point of view puts many people off contributing on this
forum and there is no excuse for it

Andrew

I'll give you a clue - you will possibly have one on your door at home.

You know, I work in Lancashire and had never heard the term Numpty until I went there.

Yes, I heard you the first time and do not need the two succesive repeats to ram this home. OCD rules OK

Oz

Okay , I have got it. I will ask the missus to blow on my letterbox.

I think I may of heard numpty first when I worked in Bolton

Absolutely fantastic, I'm in the throes of mirthful apoplexy. Never knew there was a 408 in York - I wondered whom had bought all the Bristol stuff at the Paul Smith shop at Askham Grange.

Did you know that in Kentucky they have bigger letterboxes than we have here in the UK - allegedly.

Ozy

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Dear Ozy,
Thanks for the explaination.
I'm actually a Yorkshireman myself, born in Doncaster, but have lived in
Holland for over 35 years.
Yorkshiremen are known to call a spade a spade, but I think you have been
rather too rude of late for that to be acceptable.
A short apology I'm sure would be appropriate, and would set things right.
Would you be prepared to do that?
I would appreciate that.
With best regards,
Andy.