Bristol Cars - Owners and Enthusiasts Forum  

Go Back   Bristol Cars - Owners and Enthusiasts Forum > Bristol Forums > Bristol News & Other Bristol Discussion

Bristol News & Other Bristol Discussion About the company, clubs, car owners, and Bristol discussion not specific to the 6,8 or 10 cyl cars.

Its all Over.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-03-11, 10:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 183
Default

Lou is right, it was the dies that were nicked. They are very big and very heavy and the metal is quite valuable. They had been stored out in the yard for a long time, years in fact after they were brought back from the company that actually pressed the panels in batches. The thieves never entered the factory itself.

They were taken at a point where a lot of metal was going missing (the manholes from an entire area were stolen one night about this time) because metal prices had shot up. It is quite usual for dies to be stored like this. I know one pressing company that currently has about 20m worth of dies stored out the front of their factory, probably best not to name them on the internet.

I should imagine that if Christopher Balfour 'clammed up' it was probably more that he was speechless, and didn't think it worth continuing a scurrilous conversation. Christopher would be much too polite to do anything other than ignore a comment like that.

You have to ask yourself who would a) know some thieves b) tell them to steal the items and c) not expect to be blackmailed for ever and a day for doing so afterwards. It is an interesting conspiracy theory but I think that is all it is.

I have been around the factory as has another of the BOC HT trustees and I can tell you that everything that should be there is, and there are no dies anywhere in the building or yard so that rather questions the 'recovered' theory which isn't one I had heard until I saw it here.

Regards

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 03:10 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Cayman
Posts: 114
Default

It does almost sound like (a suggestion that) Mr Crook had something to do with the theft.
That post should be edited by the poster.
Mr Tony Crook was, is and always will be a true, oldfashioned Gentleman!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 04:23 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne View Post
It does almost sound like (a suggestion that) Mr Crook had something to do with the theft.
I must have missed something

Quote:
Mr Tony Crook was, is and always will be a true, oldfashioned Gentleman!
Providing that;
  1. you didn't work for him
  2. you were not a member of the press
  3. you were not an officer of the BOC
  4. you were not an editor of the BOC Bulletin
  5. you hadn't said anything publicly about BCL that he didn't like
  6. you didn't sympathise anyone who said anything publicly about BCL that he didn't like
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 09:22 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: York
Posts: 808
Default

I think you could easily get Kevin's points up to 10 or more, but overall I think we should be grateful he kept things going for so long ?

I must admit that I am fascinated by the unknown history of TAD Crook and would love to see a detailed Biography of his life.

I know he was born in Manchester and his parents were coal merchants, but where did all the money come from to start racing and eventually own a prestige car manufacturer ? There seems to be very little information out there about family, siblings , where he met his wife and how he became sole agent for BCL.

Maybe he made all his money from scrap metal heists, but somehow , I doubt it :-)

Last edited by GREG; 08-03-11 at 10:03 AM. Reason: fekin bad spillng agayn ! disslexya
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 03:21 PM
geo geo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Orkney
Posts: 108
Default But it worked?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREG View Post
I think you could easily get Kevin's points up to 10 or more, but overall I think we should be grateful he kept things going for so long ?
I completely agree: against all the odds, this eccentric and gifted fellow kept the firm going whilst many similar outfits folded decades ago.

Other than once negotiating the purchase of a used Bristol, I only ever had social conversations with TAD Crook and have to say that on every occasion one would have described his manner as gentlemanly — in fact, I recall my wife expressing the opinion that he was far too much of a gentleman to be a car-salesman!

Considering quite how long so many of the BCL staff worked there (and well beyond normal retirement in some cases), clearly not everyone would agree with Kevin's point about working for him being unrewarding!

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREG View Post
I must admit that I am fascinated by the unknown history of TAD Crook and would love to see a detailed Biography of his life.
Again I agree, other than remembering the odd advertisement for Bristol or Arbarth-specified Italian cars when he was trading in Esher (?), I found little about him when I had a few hours of research time that I should have been devoting to other research matters.

George
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 08:37 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 5
Default

Tony Crook was born in Chorlton cum Hardy, South Manchester. His money came from the family coal mines, hence being able to purchase Alfa 2900 whilst still in the army.Quite a roughtable chap I'd say, certainly in his early life, but an eccentric gentleman running an eccentric car firm, with all it's fowballs. Shame he was bought out in hindsight.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 10:11 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 220
Default

On the other hand, by selling he was able to get out with his sale proceeds, and no longer had the worries of keeping things going.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 09-03-11, 01:22 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: York
Posts: 808
Default

An early TAD Crook pic
Attached Images
File Type: jpg crook2js.jpg (189.8 KB, 37 views)
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-11, 03:18 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Cayman
Posts: 114
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin H View Post
I must have missed something



Providing that;
  1. you didn't work for him
  2. you were not a member of the press
  3. you were not an officer of the BOC
  4. you were not an editor of the BOC Bulletin
  5. you hadn't said anything publicly about BCL that he didn't like
  6. you didn't sympathise anyone who said anything publicly about BCL that he didn't like
No, I was just a potential customer. That bought a used car from another vendor. And then consulted mr Crook innumerable times over the next 5 years.

The boys at the Chiswick workshop seemed to have liked and respected him.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe he was/is a bad, bad man.
But he kept Bristol alive for decades.....
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 09-03-11, 11:41 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne View Post
The boys at the Chiswick workshop seemed to have liked and respected him.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe he was/is a bad, bad man.
My comment about those who worked for him was based on the impression I got at the Chiswick workshop when a call came in from "the Guvnor" (on the phone). But it could have just been a bad day.

I don't think he is a bad man and I didn't say he was, as you full well know. However, I have heard from numerous people over the years who have been on the receiving end of his vitriol. He had quite a reputation for it on some circles. Setright resigned as the BOC Bulletin editor because of him!

As for keeping BCL going, I think it's wonderful that he did, a great achievement, but he didn't do it for us, he did it for him.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 09-03-11, 12:46 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: York
Posts: 808
Default

[quote= Setright resigned as the BOC Bulletin editor because of him![/QUOTE]


That's not what he said ! He wrote that he was resigning because he didn't feel he could keep impartiality and integrity whilst serving the club and being a motoring writer. And someone had suggested that he was on the BCL payroll.

I have also heard he was a nasty piece of work at times but lets not make things up !
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 09-03-11, 01:33 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREG View Post
That's not what he said ! He wrote that he was resigning because he didn't feel he could keep impartiality and integrity whilst serving the club and being a motoring writer. And someone had suggested that he was on the BCL payroll.

I have also heard he was a nasty piece of work at times but lets not make things up !
I'm not making anything up - I don't need to. Just relaying what my understanding is. Specifically the story was that LJKS resigned from the Editor job because he was fed up with TADC trying to control what was (or was not) written in the BOC Bulletin. But let's face it, LJKS was too much of a gentleman to say that publicly.

Where did he write what you said?
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-11, 09:08 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lansdownplace View Post
I have been around the factory as has another of the BOC HT trustees and I can tell you that everything that should be there is, and there are no dies anywhere in the building or yard so that rather questions the 'recovered' theory which isn't one I had heard until I saw it here.
The dies in question were brought-up during a conversation I had in the Kensington showroom last May. I was told they had been 'recovered', although the flow of the conversation sadly deflected me from questioning the 'recovered' statement. Although I was just pleased enough to hear the good news.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-11, 03:16 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GREG View Post
I already have "proved it" with the written word once against you hear say !
I just came across nice line in a letter in The Automobile magazine;

"what any schoolboy knows may not always be the whole truth"
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-03-11, 05:17 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: York
Posts: 808
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin H View Post
I just came across nice line in a letter in The Automobile magazine;

"what any schoolboy knows may not always be the whole truth"

I wrote that ! after reading some of the previous posts. Glad you liked it

Or did I ... This old schoolboy is prepared to change his opinion based on new information. I now know the world is round and that if you stand all the Chinese men on top of each other , they won't reach the Moon. In fact most of them would probably die !

I don't remember any lessons in hear say at School, apart from the Bible ! I do remember saying I accept your version of events because blind faith tells me you are honest and trustworthy ( Gentleman ) However, bullying is banned at school in the modern world , so stop it !

Last edited by GREG; 12-03-11 at 06:01 AM. Reason: Laughs !
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:08 AM.


This is the live site

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2