A new Bristol Owners Car Club

[Bobbyweaf]

From the 1st August 2010 the "Bristol Owners & Drivers Association Ltd." is being launched. Whilst the BODA will organise all the usual club events. There is a special emphasis on Spares and Repairs with extensive information for members on the Club's website at Bristol Owners & Drivers Association Ltd..

This includes Workshop Manuals, Spares Handbooks and Drivers manuals as well as reproducing relevant pages and information from manufacturers catalogues.

The BODA may also commission some parts that are no longer available from Bristol Cars or any other source and will also offer technical advice to its members on problems they may be encountering.

[GREG]

Fantastic - Looking forward to more Concours events. Maybe in the North !

Greg

[GREG]

After looking at the membership details I have noticed that the Bristol Heritage Trust is supported by the new club (B.O.D.A.). I recently attended a talk by Michael Barton on the Heritage Trust -- excellent !

I imagine the link to the Heritage Trust will enable access to a wealth of information.

Greg

[Markus Berzborn]

I don't quite understand why there is a need for this new club or what's the difference to the existing Bristol Owners Club. What does the Owners & Drivers Association offer that the Bristol Owners Club doesn't?
Maybe someone can explain this to me?

Regards,
Markus

[browning l]

Originally Posted by Markus Berzborn

I don't quite understand why there is a need for this new club or what's the difference to the existing Bristol Owners Club. What does the Owners & Drivers Association offer that the Bristol Owners Club doesn't?
Maybe someone can explain this to me?

Regards,
Markus

If you look on the BOC site, you should find within the past year, and perhaps within the past six months, some interchanges of opinions between Mr. Weafer and the BOC leadership on some aspects of BOC management. One can only guess if the feelings expressed may have led to this occurrence.

You may, or may not, know that at last year's BOC AGM, several changes affecting its organization were proposed, and a couple were made, but by no means were all that were wanted adopted. Is there a connection?

I check the BOC site regularly, and have seen no posts changes about the BOC Heritage trust, but that doesn't mean nothing has occurred.

After looking at the new organization's site quickly, it's plain a lot of work has been done in setting up the site, but I haven't seen much original material. There is considerable reliance on Wikipedia for history, and many familiar photographs appear. One does wonder if all copyright limitations have been observed with regard to the latter.

[Markus Berzborn]

Anyway, I think that in the long run it is not helpful if two competing clubs exist in case of such a small manufacturer.
Also if one thinks of the support the company itself is expected to give.
For example Mr. Silverton was present at some of the recent concours to hand over prizes etc. Should he now go to the one club's concours as well as to the other? Sounds a bit strange to me.

Regards,
Markus

[Bobbyweaf]

The new club has a different ethos to the BOC and offers a huge amount of spares info that the BOC does not. To get into the members section, where all the "original" detail is housed, you obviously have to be a member, which is of course optional but the sample menu's shows the detail headings we have gone into.

There are a number of disatisfied BOC Members around the country "who know stuff" and of course there are satisfied members as well. It all depends on what you think the club should be doing. I do not intend to air all the strongly differing views in public as there is nothing to be gained by this, suffice it to say the people involved have concluded that this is the only way forward.

As to the images etc. on the website they are all in the public domain. To create a full original history and image gallery will take some time and there is no add water instant solution. What you see is a temporary set up on what is openly stated to be a draft website, which indeed has taken a huge amount of time and effort to create.

[GREG]

QUOTE ..
After looking at the new organization's site quickly, it's plain a lot of work has been done in setting up the site, but I haven't seen much original material. There is considerable reliance on Wikipedia for history, and many familiar photographs appear. One does wonder if all copyright limitations have been observed with regard to the latter.
Today 10:53 AM

1) It says it's DRAFT in the first sentence !

2) Why would copyright concern anyone but the owners ? Seems like petty criticism with no purpose or substance.

[browning l]

Originally Posted by GREG

QUOTE ..
After looking at the new organization's site quickly, it's plain a lot of work has been done in setting up the site, but I haven't seen much original material. There is considerable reliance on Wikipedia for history, and many familiar photographs appear. One does wonder if all copyright limitations have been observed with regard to the latter.
Today 10:53 AM

1) It says it's DRAFT in the first sentence !

2) Why would copyright concern anyone but the owners ? Seems like petty criticism with no purpose or substance.

1. Of course it does. But, it has been placed in the public domain, so reasonable responses are legitimate.

2. See below.

There is, Greg, a wide difference between criticism, petty or otherwise, and legitimately conveying one's reactions to others' efforts or asking questions.

As one who has faced copyright situations more than a few times, and who has spent considerable effort and resources on making sure copyrights are protected, the subject is one that springs to my mind on occasion. I regret that you are piqued by my comments. How could I have better served your interests?

Mr. Weafer: You wrote, in part:"
There are a number of disatisfied BOC Members around the country "who know stuff" and of course there are satisfied members as well. It all depends on what you think the club should be doing. I do not intend to air all the strongly differing views in public as there is nothing to be gained by this, suffice it to say the people involved have concluded that this is the only way forward."

But, how are we Bristoleers to learn if we do not have an open dialogue between those "who know stuff" and those who don't? Perhaps there are even good suggestions out here to be considered that could be of help to all parties?

[Richard Levine]

What wonderful news, another Bristol Club! So now hopefully for just £35 more per year I may expect to double the pleasure I derived from being a member of just one club. Jaguar and Rolls Royce owners have enjoyed such multiple pleasures for many years without any obvious disadvantages.

My own thoughts on the subject are very positive, and I hope that the majority of my fellow BOC members will feel similarly and enjoy membership of both organisations. Joint events I am sure will follow once any initial "shock" has passed. My own years of BOC membership have been extremely enjoyable, and I hope to have many more in the future, whilst at the same time deriving similar benefit from BODA.

The Bristol Heritage Trust will as a result of BODA members' contributions hopefully have much more cash available for it's purchases, which can only be a good thing for all Bristol enthusiasts.

I wish BODA every success and hope it's existance only compliments the BOC rather than detracting from same.

"Well Done" to all concerned.

Richard Levine

[browning l]

Well said, Richard!

I only wish it was feasible to have an active Bristoling group here in the States; alas, our numbers are very, very few, and we are very widely spread. While in relative terms this applies to the UK and Australia as well, and Bristols are widely supported in both places, I haven't found an impetus to change things here.

Invariably, and understandably, sports car events in cities within 2 - 4 hours driving time are typically held, at least in part, on Sundays, which I cannot make. As a result, I enjoy, in our terms here, "your all's" event vicariously, on club sites and in the BOC Bulletin.

[GREG]

Lou - Quote --How could I have better served your interests?


Any tips on maintaining and repairing Bristol cars would be good ! It seems that is what the new club is focusing on so there maybe some information that saves me time and money as I have found on this site and all the other Bristol car sites. Personally I always try Bristol first for parts and I have found Mr Marelli very helpful but a lot more information is often needed on how to fit them.

I hope all your copyright problems are small ones. Maybe this site will help serve your interests.

MyFreeCopyright.com: Frequently Asked Questions

All the best

Greg

[browning l]

Greg, when I come up with something helpful, I will definitely pass it on. I, too, have relied on Brian Marelli's operation for parts and service. Mike, in the parts department, is my main contact, via email, as Mr. Syd and Brian are rather busy most of the time. Mr. Syd did take time to telephone me on a situation just last week; it was a great honor to speak with him once again.

Your source for the Copyright assistance appears to be a British law firm. Not sure how effective that will be for me in the States, with our own set of laws, where I already have excellent legal contacts that have served me/us well. But, thank you for your offered assistance.

[GREG]

I knew you weren't a lost cause and you would get the concept of Bristol sites and forums for Bristol stuff and Copyright sites for Copyright queries !

Okay, so my top Bristol tip of the day --

To make the faded white lettering on V8 Bristol switches appear new.

Buy a tile grout reviver pen from local hardware store or ebay

Have a cloth to hand with white spirit on

Paint the lettering with grout reviver

Remove excess with the cloth

Hey presto new switches !

All the usual don't blame me clauses apply but it works very well :-)

Greg

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by browning l

As one who has faced copyright situations more than a few times, and who has spent considerable effort and resources on making sure copyrights are protected, the subject is one that springs to my mind on occasion.

Well there's a previous discussion on this forum that springs to my mind on this occasion, this thread where you asked me to scan material from a current edition of the Octane magazine so that it could be sent to you.

So while you are keen to protect your own copyright you obviously don't mind infringing that belonging to others.

The word "hypocrite" springs to mind

[browning l]

Originally Posted by Kevin Howard

Well there's a previous discussion on this forum that springs to my mind on this occasion, this thread where you asked me to scan material from a current edition of the Octane magazine so that it could be sent to you.

So while you are keen to protect your own copyright you obviously don't mind infringing that belonging to others.

The word "hypocrite" springs to mind

Your mind probably springs around like a tiny wallaby. What springs to my mind is your assumption of the role you often like to play here, Mr. Gossip...I think the pejorative term for it is jackass. Unless, of course, you do really see the difference between copying something that is not available to a friend, for that friend, as opposed to forming an organization and using the copyrighted material that belongs to someone else to further the organization's end, and just don't wish to acknowledge your understanding in order to try to score off someone. If that is the case, I withdraw the term. Incidentally, the idea of copying for a friend came to me after I rec'd copies from some other Bristoleers in the UK, of Bristol material impossible to acquire here in my tiny village.

Now, then, with that out of the way, unless you have other windmills against which you wish to joust, back to Bristol tips and parts...

[browning l]

Originally Posted by GREG

I knew you weren't a lost cause and you would get the concept of Bristol sites and forums for Bristol stuff and Copyright sites for Copyright queries !

Okay, so my top Bristol tip of the day --

To make the faded white lettering on V8 Bristol switches appear new.

Buy a tile grout reviver pen from local hardware store or ebay

Have a cloth to hand with white spirit on

Paint the lettering with grout reviver

Remove excess with the cloth

Hey presto new switches !

All the usual don't blame me clauses apply but it works very well :-)

Greg

Sounds excellent. My 30 year old switches could use some rejuvenation. I'll have to check for a grout reviver pen. That's a new one on me. Ta.

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by browning l

blah blah blah .... Incidentally, the idea of copying for a friend came to me after I rec'd copies from some other Bristoleers in the UK, of Bristol material impossible to acquire here in my tiny village.

You're just trying to defend the indefensible.

I pay for a subscription to Octane, you could do the same if you want to read what they publish. Alternatively you can order back issues through their web site.

Or is your tiny village beyond the reach of the US postal service?

[Kevin H]

Originally Posted by GREG

To make the faded white lettering on V8 Bristol switches appear new.

Buy a tile grout reviver pen from local hardware store or ebay

For those who live in tiny US villages where it is not possible to buy a grout reviver pen, I found that cotton ear buds and washing up liquid works very well.

[GREG]

Kevin's idea is fine for cleaning but it will not replace the white paint

grout reviver pen on eBay (end time 19-Jul-10 20:01:15 BST)

Loads of the stuff on ebay and it's basically a very tough white paint that is applied through a felt tip nib and dries almost instantly. ( I may give it a go on my dads dentures ) You can also use it for tyre lettering if you like that kind of thing.

Greg

PS. My new printer is excellent at copying £20 notes, Is it legal ? :-)