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Old 01-01-17, 03:36 AM
Geoff Kingston Geoff Kingston is offline
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Kevin,
The money pit I agree with, I sadly do not have the ability to weld, fabricate parts or paint my cars myself but at least I am sufficiently hands on to save myself a hell of a lot of money.
I think future values are reflected in a comment I made about the Duncan Hamilton advert for their 411 series 3, rising values however fill me with a mixture of optimism and dread because as a long term owner I paid lees for all my Bristol cars than it would cost to repair or buy for example a high specification 2 Litre engine today.
Also sadly I know that in the past and even today we have been ripped off big time, e.g when the specialists were quoting £6k for repairing the rear end rot on a V8 my first one was done for under £2500 in my own workshop and the next for about half that as we knew the measurements for the repair panels needed, how to tackle the job and how to eradicate the rust traps. If I and my welder were younger we would have set ourselves up for this full time and made a killing!
I despair sometimes when I see the extent that some people rip the cars apart for restoration where more local repairs would suffice.
I recently as an "owner/bodger" had one of the most disappointing drives I have ever had in a Bristol 401, professionally restored it went reasonably well but had heavy steering and more creaks and groans from the bodywork than an Austin Sheerline I had years ago with a weak wooden body frame. Overall the structural problems contributed to a very disappointing driving experience and not at all representative of what the cars should be like.
This car had been through a well known restorer and had all the body skin removed, the photos with it proved to me it was overkill, the £60K bill for bodywork alone sadly only illustrated how badly the owner had been taken for a ride , the doors would not open and close properly and on the road as I said the body creaked and groaned to an extent I had never experienced before in a Bristol. The sad thing was that I was told this car was very nice to drive before it was restored.
There are sadly in my part of the UK limited numbers of people who know how to properly restore Bristol's however if you know and understand the cars properly from hands on experience then owners can save themselves an absolute fortune getting mechanical and bodywork repairs done locally with good engineers and bodywork repairers and painters . I accept this can only be achieved with a lot of time spent hands on in the workshop on preparation, fitting up and the actual management of the project itself but if you get into it and do your homework as I suspect you may agree it is not that difficult.
Setright started me off on the road to ruin with his first book on Bristol Cars in 1974, following Tom Craig turning up to teach us metalwork at school with his 401, to both I am eternally grateful.
I have been an owner of Bristol cars since I bought my first 401 a few years later and have learnt a lot along the way, in the early years it was more bodge than restore because they were simply cheap old cars and I was learning along the way but I wouldn't have missed a minute of it , its a hell of a lot more fun being directly involved in a project if you can than simply paying the restorer and the transport company to take your pride and joy to some swanky lawn to display in the battle of the cheque books!.
It is as you said still a sink hole for funds but perhaps we should not worry about the future values, as a friend of mine recently told me in response to a question of what his 403's would be worth after his day he replied nothing, bemused the other party said why? the reply to that was " no bugger will be able to pay me!".
Happy new year and best wishes,
Geoff.

Last edited by Geoff Kingston; 01-01-17 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Alteration and clarification on some points.
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