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Old 15-07-09, 09:36 AM
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Having hopefully solved my window problem, I am looking at new carpets for the car. Much is spoken about the models having Wilton, but I am unsure as to what is in the car at present is Wilton. It looks more like the old UK Karvel - jute backing.
My question is however related to the actual make up of the carpets. For many cars, the carpet "set" is made up of 5 or 6 pieces- from and rear, left and right, with each piece bound when necessary. This often allows removal for cleaning. It also makes it easier to make up a set of carpets.
On the car at present, the main floor appears virtually one piece, side to side, with pop stud fasteners. Is this the norm, or a change in the 43 years of the car's life?
Ideas please?
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Old 15-07-09, 05:31 PM
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I am looking at new carpets for the car. Much is spoken about the models having Wilton, but I am unsure as to what is in the car at present is Wilton. . . .
Ideas please?
My first 408 (original carpet) seemed to be Wilton, but neither my 408 mkII nor my 412 had, as O/E, genuine Wilton. In fact, the 412 had pretty middle-of-the-road quality.

My advice would be to find out from others what is correct for the 409 and then contact Matthew at Strong and Turton (125 Harlequin Avenue. Isleworth/Brentford — just off the A4). He has done quite a few different jobs for me over the years and I have found that his bespoke carpets are no more expensive than the sets made for specific cars and they are likely to fit rather better. Their web address is Strong & Turton Ltd - Coach and Motor Trimmers - Services

I have no connection with the company, just a happy customer!

George
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We use the best quality Motor Wilton from Boyriven and it is worth
it. They quality is superb as well as the durability. We also fit
them more accurately than Bristol did.

Ashley
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Old 15-07-09, 06:50 PM
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My 412 has carpet in sections rather than one piece. Because the
carpet is not pressed in a heated mould like volume cars this is the
only way to get them to fit properly

They were replaced recently as part of a factory rebuild and they
use the same premium grade Wilton auto as for the current range of
cars. This has quite a large loop pile. You can use high thread
count cut pile which looks really good except where it is bent over
panels when you can sometimes see the base. I suspect that if you
use thick cut pile carpet it will retain moisture and rot over time
in normal usage.

Paul
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Old 15-07-09, 09:08 PM
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How does one identify "Wilton" automotive carpet? We see the word banded around regularly, but is Wilton a brand or a defined style and composition?

Kevin
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Old 15-07-09, 10:20 PM
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To my knowledge, the best (traditional) english wool carpets (also for
homes and hotels) were always made by Wilton or Axminster, both made in the
towns bearing the same names, in the South West of England. They were
always the very best. So it's not only a brand, but also a measure of the
quality they produced. And as for the carpets, yes, the backing would
originally have been of jute.
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Old 15-07-09, 10:20 PM
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Good feedback on the carpet posting! Actaul materials over here in
Australia are rather limited, although Knox Carpets have a reasonable
range. UK based Woollies have perhaps the best retail selection, including
a good one which they label as Wilton. I remember "Boyriven' from my time
n the UK. Another Aussie supplier who quoted wanted 3 times the UK price
for a pretty average carpet.
What I have found is that with some of the pubber or synthetic backed ones,
the pile easily detaches, particularly if too much adhesive is used.
Mike O
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Old 16-07-09, 06:25 AM
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Hi
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Glossary of textile manufacturing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wilton Carpet
Wilton carpet is produced on a specific type of weaving machine called wire loom. Wilton carpets are pile carpets whereby the pile is formed by inserting steel rods in the pile warps of the fabric. After extraction of the rods the pile is looped (in case straight wires have been used) or cut (in case cutting wires are used). Wilton carpet is generally considered as high quality and is used for heavy duty applications.
Wire loom,
Weaving machine for pile fabrics or velvets whereby the pile is made by weaving steel rods or wires into the fabrics. When the wires are extracted the warp ends that have been woven over the wires remain as loops on top of the fabric or will form cut pile if the wire is equipped with a cutting blade. This technique is also known as "épinglé weaving". A wire loom in a much wider version (up to 5 meters of width) and in heavier construction is used for the manufacturing of carpets is called a "WILTON" loom, and the carpets made on such a loom are known as "Wilton Carpets"
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Old 16-07-09, 07:00 AM
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I wouldn't use a rubberback carpet, they are designed for extremely
light use and the rubber crumbles after a short few years. You need
a hardbacked carpet. If you look at the back there are two main
types, those with the pile glued to a jute type backing which won't
last very well and will disintegrate if they get wet and don't dry
out and those that are woven onto a jute/nylon base. Wilton is the
latter, although it is done in a special way which is what makes it
WIlton, rather than the manufacturer who can be anyone. Most carpets
are made in an 80/20 wool/synthetic mix for wear.

If you are buying carpet of this quality you might as well use the
authentic Wilton weave as anything else.
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Old 16-07-09, 07:24 AM
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When I read Knox Carpets I thought the writer of this message was pulling my
leg, as that happens to be my surname (no, not Legg).
Wilton it seems patented their first loom in 1741. They are always woven,
since then by machine, using up to 5 colours, and are very hard wearing.
I assume they are now bankrupt?
Andrew Knox.
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Old 20-07-09, 07:55 AM
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When I came to replacing the carpets in my 401 I found that the correct
colour was no longer manufactured in England a Fawn was not a popular colour.
However, my local carpet supplier was able to find the best quality Wilton
carpet in the correct colour but manufactured in Belgium. I can tell you
that it is wearing well and will most likely see me out.
My regards,
Bellerophon.
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